Comparing Theologies

10 thoughts on “Comparing Theologies”

1. Hello! My name is Anders Branderud and I am from Sweden.

   The Christian theology is totaly contradictory to the teachings of the historical Jesus.

   Did you know this?:
   • The earliest extant Church historian, Eusebius further documented (EH III.xxvii.4-6) that the original Nәtzarim accepted only the Jewish Tana”kh as Bible and only The Netzarim (“their own”) Hebrew Matityahu (NHM) as an authentic account of the life and teachings of Ribi Yәhoshua, never accepting the the 2nd-4th century, heavily gentile-redacted (Greek), NT.

   According to world-recognized authorities in this area the historical Jesus was a Pharisee (a Torah-practising Jewish group – who according to 4Q MMT practised both written and oral Torah). His name was Ribi Yehoshua. As the earliest church historians, most eminent modern university historians, our web site (www.netzarim.co.il) and our Khavruta (Distance Learning) texts confirm, the original teachings of Ribi Yehoshua were not only accepted by most of the Pharisaic Jewish community, he had hoards of Jewish students.

   So why not start following Ribi Yehoshua by practising Torah including Halakhah (oral Torah in an unbroken chain since Mosheh (Moses)) non-selectively? To follow him by practising the commandments in Torah gives true meaning of life!!

   So why not start following Ribi Yehoshua by practising Torah including Halakhah (oral Torah in an unbroken chain since Mosheh (Moses)) non-selectively? To follow him by practising the commandments in Torah gives true meaning of life!!

   From Anders Branderud
   Geir Toshav, Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel (www.netzarim.co.il) who are followers of Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – in Orthodox Judaism

2. Anders,

   Thanks for your note. I’m quite aware of the information you reference, although to say that “most eminent modern university historians…confirm” is definitely a stretch.

   I applaud your willingness to keep the commands of Scripture, including Torah; I too labor to practice God’s commands, however, a comprehensive review of scripture, history, and tradition reveals that, “While God’s commandments are to be considered prescriptive, we acknowledge that they require adaptation from generation to generation.” The rabbis of Judaism are no longer the halachic authorities for those who acknowledge Yeshua miNatzeret as haMashiach. That responsibility falls on the leader(s) of whatever worshiping community you are a part of.

   May HaShem bless you as you seek to honor Him. Also, you may want to do a bit more research into the differences between the Ebionites and the Nazarenes/Netzarim. Check out Nazarene Jewish Christianity by Dr. Ray Pritz.

   Just as an example did you know that the Nazarenes wrote about the Scribes and Pharisees that they “made men sin against the Word of God in order that they should deny that Christ was the Son of God.”? This was in their commentary on Isaiah 29:17-21. (check out pages 35, 43, and 53-54 of Dr. Pritz’ book)

3. For what its worth, when I took the test as I stand now as a non-Christian, I scored Finney 33%, Tillich 33%, and Moltmann 33%….everyone else a fat zero.

   When I retook the test as what I would have answered as a Charismatic Christian I scored: Anselm 100%, Luther 87%, Barth 80%, Calvin 80%.

   I didn’t know who even half of these guys are. Sad really.

4. Jamie,

   Now that truly is an interesting take on the quiz! Would you have answered the questions any differently as a Messianic than as a Charismatic Christian?

5. interesting site Nate.

   here are my results:
   You Scored as John Calvin
   Much of what is now called Calvinism had more to do with his followers than Calvin himself, and so you may or may not be committed to TULIP, though God’s sovereignty is all important.

   John Calvin 87%
   Anselm 80%
   Karl Barth 73%
   Jonathan Edwards 60%
   Friedrich Schleiermacher 53%
   Jürgen Moltmann 47%
   Paul Tillich 47%
   Augustine 40%
   Martin Luther 40%
   Charles Finney 33%

6. Nate,
   I thought you would ask that. I didn’t tackle it from my “messianic perspective” because when I began to get interested in Messianic Judaism I tended to change varying theological stances every few weeks or months. MJ was very different from my Charismatic understanding, which I held many years longer than MJ. Plus, I was never really totally solid in my understanding of MJ because I had looked at all the different groups and teachers for better understanding, and many groups/teachers held different ideas (just look at Tim Hegg’s latest paper about the salvation of Israel and his counterpoint to other MJ leaders).

   I thought about going back and testing myself based on that, but I’ve had enough fun with it.

7. Stephanie, Wow, those are not what I would have guessed for you. I’m surprised that you scored so high on Calvin/Edwards and still got roughly 50% on the German theologians as well.

   Do you feel like you’re very deterministic in your outlook on life?

8. I just took the survey…came out 80% Calvin!!! I’m shocked…

9. Woah! I’m shocked too, Aaron. I wonder what that means…?

10. I think it means that the whole thing is rigged! lol

    Honestly though, I’m really surprised at the results. I’m really not able to ascribe given ideas to the theologians on the list. However, from what I know of Calvinism, I definitely would not see myself as being that predominant in my approach to life and scripture…